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Japan entry 17,


Thuresday, July 22,


…I am going to talk about camp.  Dat 1: Service about Identity, awsome, Akward/irritating conversation about my sexual orientation as it always happnes. …


In addition to my Japan entries I am also going to respond to ideas and topics disscussed in the above book that I am currently reading.  The first of these happnes to be about ORIGINAL SIN.  This is not meant to be a offensive to Catholics or mainline Protestants just my perosanl belief on original sin of course always put in the light of Sacred Scripture. 


“For God, the author of natures, not of vices, created man upright; but man, bing of his own will corrupted, and justly condemned, begot corrupted and condemned children.  For we all were in that one man, since we all were that one man who fell into sin by the woman who was made from him before the sin. To be sure, the particular forms in which we as individuals were to live had notyet been created and distributed; but already the seminal nature was there from which we were to be propagated; and since this was vitiated by sin, bound by the chain of death, and justlycondemend, man couldnot be born in any other state. -St. Augustine, The City of God (410), Book XIII


     To break it down simply the theory is that because of Adam’s sin, in the garden of Eden, all people thereafter are born with sin, Origianl sin, becuase we cannot be born pure from an impure parent.  I state flat out that I regect this, first off it has little and only implicit scriptural basis.  So implicit it is not a teaching of Scripture but of tradition, a tradition that does not make reasonable sense I believe.  First off, lets list scripture that supports it.


“Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliationTherefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.” Romans 5:11-13


First off, the whole text implies that sin remained in the world not because it was inborn to all people but becuse it countined to be countined by people.  This is not only what he text implies but is compatible with Hebrw thought.  Sin is transgressing the law whether the law is known or not.  However there is a sinful nature that all humans share because of Adam for the we cannot be born in a the nature of sinful father.  To say that this provides original sin is not reasonable becuase it means that the action of the father was inborn inot the child, sin is commited it is not inborn as seen from Scripture so this can be concluded unreasoable.  However a sinful nature can be because a sinful nature is not action but the state of man after the Fall, that is when Adam fell, so we all fell.  However we have freedom from this “law of sin and death” in Christ when become a new creation, born again, and have a nature not of sin but of Spirit. 


“So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” Romans 7:4-6


and


“”Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,” -Romans 8:1-3


“So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:” 2 Corinthians 5:16-18


tHIS IS ALL OPEN FOR RESONSES i ACUTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INSIGHT SO THAT I WOULD NOT LIVE IN IGNORANCE BUT IN AWARNESS, IN THE LIGHT OF THE CHURCH AND IN THE SPECULATION OF OTHERS.


Edit: this has not so much to do with a certain conversation, with certian people, at a certain table in a certian school in a certian village.  They are Sarah, Keegan and Daniel as well as the other less active participents.  The fact that it is about origional sin has nothing to do with that but of the book I am reading it is all a great quincedence.  And a specific note to specific readers if they read.  Shannon I have a magazine I want to read when Ed is done with it and then I would like to loan it to Keegan if you guys are interested. would like to read the articles.

About minuiperiannath

Name: Spencer Wentland College: North Central University Year: Senior Major:Intercultural Studies My story of meeting Jesus in short: Not many weeks after I was born my parents baptized me into the Christian faith at First English Lutheran Church in my hometown, Appleton, WI. There they renewed their promises to renounce the devil and his ways, the world and evil and raise me the same way teaching me to love and fear the Lord, the Lord's Prayer, the Ten Commandments, the Creeds and when of reading age to put the Holy Bible in my hands and all the while, with the church community, instruct me in the Christian faith. My parents weren't perfect but they did fulfill the vows they made at my baptism. I had my own more personal experience with the Lord around the age of seven when I followed Jesus out of the Gospels to a "quiet, lonely place" in my backyard with the hope to do whatever Jesus did there. Without realizing it or ever being taught how to "receive Jesus into your heart" it happened quite like that even seeing a mental vision of Jesus and knowing I need to welcome him into my heart and let him sit on the throne of my life. I've never been the same since then and the Lord has kept his promise to be with me "always." I confirmed what my parents chose for me in a public confession of faith and the ritual of believer's baptism at a local swimming school where the Assemblies of God church my mom attends used to do their baptisms. I've never regretted a life with Jesus; life has always been richer, deeper and fuller because of it. About Me: Ha that's a funny question, and a popular one today. Well, if you really want to know "all about me" you will have to meet me. For starters I am hard to put in simple categories and often find myself tumbling between labels; i.e. introverted and extroverted, strong and weak, intuitive yet a rationalist, introspective and social, unique and individual yet needing people and empathetic. I belong to and am part of the Way and that is probably the most defining important part of my being. (Acts 24:14) As a God lover in the Way of Jesus Christ I long to see and embrace all things and people in his love for his glory. Creative people and places energize me. I enjoy and appreciate art and artists and like to contribute and collaborate in making my own art at times. I need my own time and spend a lot of time in contemplation- this is where I get recharged and new vision and vitality for life. A con of my personality is my ill attempts to understand everything about everything. At the same time I also get energy from others and love to be sociable. I make matrix like connections in my mind and although my comments often are perceived as random too me they are very connected to something. To me connection and harmony are very important and I believe the truth brings that out. The last few years have been filled with learning, studying and meeting wonderful people. Copenhagen, Escanaba, Nagasaki, and now back to Minneapolis! So excited to learn, grow and finish my last year at university! Call: I feel strongly called by the Lord to work and give myself as missionary of love to the Japanese people. As the Lord leads I hope to take a missionary assignment through ELCA Global Mission teaching English and serving in congregational mission and leadership in Japan. Eventually I would like to serve as an apostolic worker planting boiler rooms (missional/monastic communities) around the Japanese archipelago with a bunch of other Jesus lovers in international, incarnational bands of friends. About this blog: This blog is for my Church Administration and Personal Finance class. I'm looking forward to interesting and practical conversation and learning that will help develop my leadership and organizational skills for however and whatever takes shape out of the Lord's call.

8 responses »

  1. just leave me out of it.  i really am not interested in any of your views… call me bigot, i dont care.  but there is no need for you to address me on your public journal, i guess it is that i do not want to hear your views, its that i do not want you to attempt to slander me in this inconspicous way.  really, just leave me off of this thing please.

  2. Greetings,
    If you are correct, and that there is no original sin, that means that for the first 7 years of life or so we do NOT need a savior.  If a child dies they automatically go to heaven on THEIR own accord because they had not sinned yet.  Because of this they have no need for christ, no need for a savior.  This seems to fly against scripture in the most dramatic way.
    peace

  3. Greetings,
    You mentionat that kids are still slaves to the law.  Perhaps your idea of slaves to the law is what others mean by original sin.   By original sin we do NOT believe that the child did anything.  There is no actual sin.
    peace

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